Reason, Intellect, and Faith: A look at the Mu’tazili

This is actually a pretty complex topic, perhaps a little over my head, but I found it too interesting to avoid delving in. I will try to be as accurate as possible, but understand that this is the result of my limited research and I encourage those interested to study further. I did use wikipedia for this because it spelled things out in a clear way, but there are other resources out there.

Mu’tazilah is an Islamic school of speculative theology that flourished primarily in Basra and Baghdad in the 8th-10th centuries. Although the school of thought itself declined sharply in popularity – it is only adopted today by a minority of Muslim intellectuals – many of its doctrines and methodologies were effectively cannibalized by other schools of thought which did survive.

History:


Like many schools, it developed over centuries and had many different evolutions and interpretations, as well as multiple subgroups that held different political priorities. Caliph al-Ma’mun espoused certain beliefs shared by Mu’tazilah school (and several others) that the Quran is the created word of God. But he instituted the Mihna – an Inquisition – against religious opponents of that belief in an attempt to gain full control over the religious sphere as well as the secular. The Mu’tazilis were seen as instigators of this persecution campaign and lost popularity.
The Mu’tazilis held the truths of Islam as their starting point and primary reference, but also relied on logic, as well as various philosophies (early Islamic, Greek, and Hellenistic). Issues they sought to address:whether the Qur’an was created or eternal, whether evil was created by God, the issue of predestination versus free will, whether God’s attributes in the Qur’an were to be interpreted allegorically or literally, etc.” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu’tazili)

The Nature of God, and the Importance of Reason AND Revelation:

Their view on Divine Unity is quite interesting. At its core, its the same as the majority of Muslims – there is no God but God. What is different is how they view God’s attributes. According to Seyyed Hossein Nasr, in his book Islam, “where the Quran asserts that God is the Hearer and the Seer, the Mu’tazilites claimed that hearing and seeing in this case had nothing to do with what we understand by these Attributes; otherwise we would have an anthropomorphic image of God.” Basically, if we take a literal view that God sees in the way that humans see (with actual eyes), we are limiting his definition to human terms and God is far beyond human limitations. Also, they deny that God’s attributes are separate from God’s essence. Some Mu’tazilis took a metaphorical interpretation of the Quran in this regard, others simply chose to affirm the Attributes while believing they were beyond our understanding, and others avoided judgement on this issue altogether.

Curiously, they believed all humans with full mental faculties – even those without access to scripture or revelation – are obligated to seek knowledge of God’s existence and attributes. They also believed that humans were capable of being moral without revelation, at least on a basic level. In other words, God gave us the capacity to know right and wrong in general, and he gave us revelations to elaborate on the details from that point. Thus, reason and revelation are complimentary, not contradictory.

This was just a brief look at the Mu’tazilah school of thought, and there is a lot more to study and say about it. I bring it up simply because I find some of their views compelling, although some others (which I didn’t get into here) I don’t really agree with. Still, it gives me hope that there are so many ideas out there, and maybe one day the propagation of ideas won’t be equated with blasphemy, but rather as a noble quest for better understanding of the divine.


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31 responses to “Reason, Intellect, and Faith: A look at the Mu’tazili

  1. salamthis is another sect in Islam and there biggest deviance is that they believe the Quran was created and they have pretty weird logic … and ill let the pro's take over like imam feiz and sheikh al amry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQRZuizCBFohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-v3CdmI9hEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk0OiW9bVuU

  2. @blackb3ard911,Her beginning itself is out of track. After learning and researching Qur’an, she diverted her reading and belief into many deviant cults ( such as irshad manji organization, bhagavadgita (the author of bhagavadgitha Krishna,is known to be god of hindus,also according to their belief, Krishna had more than 16,000 wives.)Better someone introduce her to a renowned Muslim sheikh or a knowledgeable person, so that she may turn back to real Islam, instead of going through with deviant sects.She is very intelligent and a deep thinker, but due to her young age and lack of experience, she is a confused person seeking contradictory knowledge and trying to compare Islam with other false beliefs..May Allah guide her to right path…

  3. turn back = return backsorry.

  4. @myblogu cant blame her… there is alot of BS online and if u dont have anyone to guide u then u will certainly fall for these deviant sects cause there are 73 sects and since 72 will be going to hell and only 1 will go to heaven then u can determine how hard it is to find those websites which preach orthodox Islam and not those innovation filled Islam which emulates hinduism such as saint worship , dancing in circles reaching some kind of peak with which u will b in direct contact with god if u do it the right way(im not joking this what the wacky sufis do) ….And not to mention that muslims(mostly the born muslims) are so arrogant and proud that even if u gave them proof that what they are doing is wrong , they will get pissed at u and label u weird terms like *wahhabi* …. and if u ask them do u know where the word *wahhabi* is derived from and what is its meaning then they cant answer that but they just heard it from some1 ….People do find their way like if u see a mole keeps digging till it doesnt find the light … I kept digging and i found mine =)salam

  5. Just out of curiosity, which sect do you guys follow and how did you determine it was the right one for you?

  6. Hi Sophia! I was drawn to the Mutazilites too, because I couldn't understand how the word of God could be eternal and uncreated. That's exactly how the gospel of John describes Jesus!

  7. myblog, I already "diverted" from what is normal for me when I started reading the Quran in the first place. If I hadn't been willing to open my mind to religious ideas, I wouldn't have picked up the Quran at all. That need to learn is continuing to draw me, and for now I'm simply going to let it.blackb3ard911, I watched the video… my computer's speakers are pretty bad so I didn't understand all of it, but he seemed to be saying that sects are bad and we should follow the example of Muhammad and his Companions – which is what most of the sects claim they do, they just all disagree on the details of how to do it. Besides, I was asking why YOU felt your sect was the right one for you. And myblog, which type of Islam do you follow, and why? If either of you are uncomfortable discussing it, thats ok, you don't have to if you don't want to. You both seem so certain about which beliefs are wrong that I wanted to know how you came to decide which ones were right.Hello Sarah, welcome! Yes, the Mu'tazilites (and others) felt that saying the Quran was uncreated and eternal – to qualities that also describe God – was akin to setting up partners with God by implying he would create something that had similar powers to Himself. The political implications of the nature of the Quran were enormous. The conundrum was that if you said the Quran was uncreated, it gave immense power to religious authorities who could say "only we understand the eternal word of God, so listen to us, not your rulers!". Whereas if you said it was created, that opened the door to more secular powers claiming it could be changed or corrupted, and removing power from the religious groups. The political nature of this debate led many Muslims (including some Mu'tazilites) to decide it didn't matter whether it was created or uncreated, it was the word of God and claiming one way or the other was just playing a dirty game.

  8. @sister sophiasect as per the oxford dictionary is a religious group or faction regarded as heretical or as deviating from orthodox tradition.so i dont follow any sect. I just follow the Quran and Sunnah or In other words i follow the salaf. Yes u are right that all of the sects say we follow Islam. But this here now depends on how u use ur mind and conscience. For eg. the nation of Islam is a sect which believes in black supremacy and have their own prophet called elijah muhammad and similarly the ahmediya sect also have a prophey called mirza ghulam . And if u talk to them they will say we follow Islam. But u tell me can u judge here that are these people following Islam when they create their prophets? . Then there are the Quranists who some believe in Muhammad(sws) but dont believe in hadith and there are those who dont believe in Muhammad9sws) at all!!! . They even have their own testimony of faith in which they have removed the second line which say Muhammad(sws) is the final messenger of Allah(swt).And then we have the shias who curse the companions of Muhammad(sws) and his(sws) wives also!. And not to mention that they have taken Ali(rad) as a form of god which is shirk already!Then we have the wacky present day sufis who dance in circles wearing kilt type dresses(no bagpipes though) and call on DEAD SAINTS for help which is shirk also since u are calling on other than Allah(swt).All of these sects have sub sects. And all of them are misguided in one way or another.Now the main question is how do i know who i am following is right. Well here i did give u the hadith intro vids but since ur speakers arent good then well i cant type it all. Well just follow the Quran and Sahih Hadith and leave the rest to Allah(swt) cause he is the most merciful and compassionate.salam and by the way are u the user fishhouse on the forum i gave u?

  9. My view on 73 sects in Islam is different to what our respected brother B'911 says.I agree that, about 73 or more sects has mentioned in hadith,but I don’t want to deny or believe in it. as per my view on that particular hadith, I never give any important to those things, coz whoever prays (obligatory ) 5 times a day according to sunna and follow what Islam has ordained but different of opinion on other issues, except associating something to God, cannot be assumed to be going to jannah or jahannam… the decision is only with Allah. in this way, I never wanted to pinpoint or label any sect in Islam to be going to hell or heaven in this matter.Whenever I want to pray, I would go to a near by masjid, I never ask anybody whether the mosque belongs to this sect or that. Of course their interpretation about Islam (not Qur’an) may be different, I just look upon whether praying method is according to the way it has done in Saudi Arabia or mecca and madina.As I said about my belief in hadith, I always compare words of hadith to Qur’an, then I decide the sayings of hadith were believable or not. In this way I myself assume this is the way to follow Islam, not by reading Irshadmanji, bhagavadgita, mutazili or any other dilly-dally. If I wanted “TO BE A MUSLIM” I must be inside the circle of Islam. I cannot be a Muslim, by having impressed or believed partly or wholly by reading many deviant or original faiths LIKE bhagavadgita, mutazili, irshadmango. alfonsomango or many other mangos .If you don’t want to be a Muslim,, the title of this blog is appropriate to express your feelings. AGAIN , if you don’t wanted to be a Muslim, But you want to link “irshamanji” in this “thesophia “ blog looks very odd to see by any true follower of Islam.

  10. blackb3ard911, thank you for clarifying. I was just curious how a person decides what is and isn't deviant. I'm still researching the various interpretations of Islam – some I personally agree with, some I don't, and some I simply don't understand yet. I think its rude and closed-minded for a Quranist to go around claiming all the Sunni's and Shia's are guilty of shirk, but I also think its wrong the Quranists to be dismissed with similar distain (this is not directed at you, just something I've observed on the web). I did peek at many of the links you've sent me, but I'm afraid I don't remember that particular forum. I'm pretty sure the only forum I'm registered on is BeliefNet.com, and its not under that name. Why do you ask?Dear Anonymous, I chose the title because I don't want to offend anyone while I'm still learning. While my main interest continues to lie with Islam, I decided it would be better not to limit my studies and instead start a blog about religious studies in general. Given that, discussing the Bhagavad Gita is not beyond the scope of this page's intent. I am still leaning heavily towards converting to Islam, but I'm not going to make such a decision lightly or without study.Just because I have a link to Irshad Manji does not mean I endorse every single thing she says (*sigh* here we go with this again)… I don't endorse everything said on any other website I have links to, or any other blog I follow, some of which say way more controversial things, but its always the Irshad Manji link that riles people up. Is it just because her name is more recognizable?

  11. continued to AnonymousJust to clarify, Mu'tazilah is a school of speculative theology, not its own religion or faith. There was a time when it was considered deviant NOT to agree with that school, so I'm not going to believe something based on its popularity today. The Bhagavad Gita is part of a different faith than Islam, but I don't see where the Quran says it is forbidden to read other books. I don't know what branch of Islam Irshad Manji follows. Also, a question… whats up with the mangos? Is that a metaphor for something?

  12. Anonymous said…It is a known fact that every language has one or more terms that are used in reference to God and sometimes to lesser deities. This is not the case with Allah. Allah is the personal name of the One true God. Nothing else can be called Allah. The term has no plural or gender. This shows its uniqueness when compared with the word god which can be made plural, gods, or feminine, goddess. It is interesting to notice that Allah is the personal name of God in Aramaic, the language of Jesus and a sister language of Arabic. The One true God is a reflection of the unique concept that Islam associates with God. To a Muslim, Allah is the Almighty, Creator and Sustainer of the universe, Who is similar to nothing and nothing is comparable to Him. The Prophet Muhammad was asked by his contemporaries about Allah; the answer came directly from God Himself in the form of a short chapter of the Quran, which is considered the essence of the unity or the motto of monotheism. This is chapter 112 which reads: "In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate. Say (O Muhammad) He is God the One God, the Everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, nor has been begotten, and equal to Him is not anyone." ****************************************************sophia, you said you are leaning HEAVILY towards Islam,what brought u to lean towards the manGOD Krishna’s bhagavadgita and pulling that man into Islamic (your) belief?.

  13. Dear Anonymous,Who said I was pulling Krishna into my beliefs, and who said my beliefs were purely Islamic to begin with? I'm very new to all of this. I was not raised in a culture that expected or encouraged me to read the Quran; I chose to read it anyways. I also read books about theoretical physics… should I stop because I've become interested in Islam, and the book doesn't also say, "by the way, Allah did all this"? What drew me to the Quran was spiritual curiosity, and I'm grateful I followed that curiosity and it led me to those divine words. I'm not going to quash that instinct now. The Quran says:017.036 YUSUFALI: And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning). PICKTHAL: (O man), follow not that whereof thou hast no knowledge. Lo! the hearing and the sight and the heart – of each of these it will be asked. SHAKIR: And follow not that of which you have not the knowledge; surely the hearing and the sight and the heart, all of these, shall be questioned about that.So I am not going to convert without further study of this religion and the nature of God. The Quran ALSO says:016.036 YUSUFALI: For We assuredly sent amongst every People a messenger, (with the Command), "Serve Allah, and eschew Evil": of the People were some whom Allah guided, and some on whom error became inevitably (established). So travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who denied (the Truth). PICKTHAL: And verily We have raised in every nation a messenger, (proclaiming): Serve Allah and shun false gods. Then some of them (there were) whom Allah guided, and some of them (there were) upon whom error had just hold. Do but travel in the land and see the nature of the consequence for the deniers! SHAKIR: And certainly We raised in every nation a messenger saying: Serve Allah and shun the Shaitan. So there were some of them whom Allah guided and there were others against whom error was due; therefore travel in the land, then see what was the end of the rejecters.So maybe God, who is Merciful, told other nations about Himself besides just the people of the Arab Peninsula… otherwise whole countries would have remained in ignorance. Maybe he sent warners to those countries who where actually from those countries and spoke their language – so they would actually be credible to that culture. Maybe not, but I'm going to try and find out.

  14. For those interested, I will be writing a post soon about the Baghavad Gita, Hindu monotheism, and my reflections after reading. I hope you enjoy.

  15. Muslims believed that u r going “to be a Muslim” by seeing your previous blog title.Before that, you trapped them by visiting and commenting in a Muslimahs blog.Your master plan was, u want Muslims board from America ,go to India via Saudi Arabia..Your intention was not clear to Muslims when they found your earlier blog title.You turned your temporary (plate) blog into a permanent blog by changing its name.Then you succeeded pulling the visitors to your real intention to know about bhagavadgita.Also, circled (circulated? ), linked that with manji and kanjis to corrupt the innocent and weak faithful of Islam.To attract muslin viewers, you, very intelligently manipulated their mind to concentrate on a manGOD .without naming him while mentioning bhagavadgita.You undressed yourself, now u r totally exposed by telling u want to discuss about bhagavadgita.why did you plan such a tricky way to propagate bhagavadgita , lying to Muslims that you are going to convert to Islam in bold and capital lettered blog title?.don’t u think you are exposed yourself to MUSLIMS that your link to so called reformist ANTI muslim sites of irshadmanji and other anti ( so called enemy reformist Muslims) and enemies of Islam ?…Your intention of propagating bhagavdgita, labeling your self as a “would be Muslim” is a very intelligently planned trick on Muslims and Islam.Muslims are aware of this, they never allow anybody to corrupt or contaminate their belief like what your are doing now , they always believe islam as it is , not like what you are thinking about your religion bhagavadgita.Don’t think that Muslims don’t respect any other faiths….we do respect, but we never tolerate or allow someone to contaminate other faith into Islamic faith.If you want to corrupt your own mind by absorbing many faith into u, we have no problems…but refrain from Using, mixing and messing up any other faith with Islamic faith..You have all the rights to have your own faith and we have no objection. But let Islam be there where it is now. We don’t want bhagavdgita mixed up with our faith.For you, your faith, for us our faith.

  16. @sister sophiawell if u want to join a club then u have to agree to the rules of membership dont u? so When the Quranists deny the hadith then they are denying the words of Muhammad(sws) and it is said over and over in the Quran to obey Allah(swt) and follow Muhammad(sws) ….The same can be said about the shias. The shias make the haraam things halaal such as mutah marriages. The Quran openly forbids mutah marriages. Mutah marriages is something like one night stands. The only difference is these are one night marriages which are done under contract! .. And i certainly dont need to tell u that their highest authority imams(the ones that wear the black turbans) are allowed to have intercourse with any women they desire due t their so called *superiority* Ahmediyas and Nation of Islam have their own prophets so i know u know what that means. And lastly the sufis who openly do shirk which is asking help from other than Allah(swt) … and who do they ask help from? … u want to see? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VBUujbQH4Y&feature=relatedand look at this alsohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aruJaYHu6nM&feature=related

  17. Dear Anonymous,MUAH-HA-HA-HAAAAA!!! Indeed, you have discovered my evil plan! Never was I simply a human being searching for religion, sprituality, meaning – no, I am an evil conspirator against all that is good and fluffy! Soon all the 3 to 4 people who actually read this blog will join me, and together we shall destroy the Jedi! Yes, give in to the dark side! MUAH-HA-HA-HA-HAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!Seriously, the reason I changed to a new blog was exactly to avoid this. I was so exited about Islam that I didn't really think through the consequences of even such an innocent thing as naming a stupid blog – basically, it didn't at that time occur to me that no matter what kind of Muslim I became, there would be several other Muslims out there who would all adamantly inform me that I was doing it wrong… even if I DID become orthodox, (which if you read the first post on this blog, I already said I probably wouldn't). I realized that even just SPECULATING about becoming Muslim would only lead to other Muslims getting all judgmental, so instead I chose the title of this blog to reflect my general search for God… while still continuing my studies in Islam. The title of THIS blog is a Greek word and has nothing to do at all with Islam. I never wanted to upset anyone, I just wanted to put my thoughts out there as a way for to understand myself better.So, Anonymous (and by the way, I admire someone who stands up for their faith on a stranger's tiny blog that nobody reads… and can't even be bothered to get a fake name for themselves), if you are really that worried that my blog, with its magical links of evil and hypnotic Bhagavad Gita talk, will corrupt your faith – then why on earth are you reading this stuff? I have no power to influence you or to change Islam – you are giving me WAY too much credit if you believe otherwise. So what do you get out of reading this blog, anyways?In complete seriousness now, I am very sorry that I offended you or made you in any way insecure. I'm just sharing my thoughts here, not trying to start something. I hope you will forgive me, but if you cannot then I hope you will at least be able to move on and find stuff to read elsewhere that you enjoy more.

  18. Dear blackb3ard911,Actually, I DON'T want to join a club. I want to be closer to God. If I wanted to join a club that promised to get me closer to God, I could just join a cult… they usually come with cool outfits, at least, and they'll "manage" all my money. If I become a Shia (probably not) then the Sunni's won't like me. If I become a Sunni (getting less and less likely every day) then the Shi'ites won't like me. If I become a Sufi(the only group whose members HAVE NOT tried to pressure me so far, so why the heck not) then nobody will like me. This has led me to a conclusion… If I DO become Muslim it won't be to impress anyone down here on earth, it will be to serve God better. When it comes to my personal relationship with the divine, I couldn't care less about all this sectarian stuff. And you know what? If being Muslim means I have to go around telling EVERYBODY else what they are doing wrong, then maybe I'm not interested in joining this club after all. Somehow I got the impression that Islam was more than that, but I guess that was just the young idealist in me. I believe in one God, I believe that the Quran is from God, and I believe Muhammad was one of God's messengers. What should I call myself? I don't know and I don't think I care anymore.

  19. @sister sophiawhen i said CLUB i made it as a metaphor. And i think u understood that cause english isnt my first language but urs.and like i said if u were going towards a snake then it was as a duty of a muslim to guide u. In the end i dont care if u still want to let the snake bite u cause i can only advise u.Of course as u keep on saying u wont become an orthodox muslim cause well too strict? hijab? no pork? no alcohol? And yes we dont like shias… wonder why?. Aisha(rad) is the wife of Muhammad(sws) and the wife of a prophet becomes the MOTHER of the believers. SO IF SOMEONE CALLS UR MOTHER A WHORE THEN WILL U SAY ITS ALL COOL BETWEEN THE 2 OF U?. And thats just the tip of the iceberg!And if u really think im acting all superior and bossy to u then i already said it before and ill say it again , ill let u be and ill be on my way.If u do become Muslim then certainly u must not impress anyone cause that is also considered minor shirk so ur spot on on that point!And IF u want to join the club/family of Islam which Allah(swt) himself has set the rules then there is only one way to join it and that is to accept the orthodox Islam . You can join the other sub clubs that have been man made but then why convert if ur going to convert to man made clubs . I thought ur main purpose was to find GOD?

  20. Dear blackb3ard911, Yes, I understand you where using metaphor to make a point. And I appreciate that you are doing what you think is best by warning me away from things that you feel are spiritually dangerous to me. However, I will suggest that in your discussions with me you would be more effective if you spoke about the positive aspects of your faith instead of what you feel is wrong with other faiths. Why don't I want to be orthodox? Well for starters, I'm not convinced on the authenticity of the hadiths, and mainstream Islam apparently requires faith in this fact. I haven't read them all, mostly just parts of Bhukari and Muslim, and I'm still researching… but at this point I'm not convinced they are critical to my faith. I don't think there is anything necessarily wrong with believing they are accurate or that they should be obeyed, I just don't believe in that myself. I personally feel that the hadiths came from mankind, not God, so from my perspective becoming orthodox does mean joining a "man-made club". Again, from my perspective. If you think that you are following God's rules, then as long as you are happy and not hurting anyone, by all means keep doing what your doing. I do wish you'd stop bashing other branches of Islam because I think its kinda mean, and besides it's not a good way to convince people of your position.As I said before, there is no way I can call myself Muslim and not be inviting criticism from all sides… so I'm just going to keep reading the Quran, keep praying and trying to live better, and try to not get bogged down with calling myself anything… except Sophia.

  21. Sophia,After boasting many things,Finally you said: ……..What should I call myself? I don't know and I don't think I care anymore. After going through with all your(shit of) Interesting WebsitesBeliefNet.com QuraniX – everything and anything quranic IslamicReform.Org Irshad Manji's Project Ijtihad Dr. Abdolkarim Soroush: Lectures, Interviews, Publications and more Ijtihad.Org – articles on Islam by Dr. Muqtedar Khan Free-Minds.Org,also your post on mutaziliand TOBE bhagavadgitarNow you can call yourself as “manji kanji messedup REFORMIST bhagavadGuitar MUSLIM”.And you can paste this label on your forehead (you already posted (pasted) that on internet google blog.

  22. @sister sophiawell even Muhammad(sws) and his companions werent spared criticism and the companions were even murdered by their own brothers in Islam such uthaman(rad) and Umar(rad) …. so well if ur afraid of inviting criticism then u can even invite criticism by just being an american cause there are racist people out there and infact ull be inviting criticism the first day u convert to Islam from the disbelievers.and well if hadiths were man made and if u reject them then well firstly u wouldnt know how to pray cause in the Quran it doesnt explain how to pray. And then u wouldnt know how to do hajj cause nowhere in the Quran does it tell how to do hajj. Of course i can turn a blind eye and deny that there are any snakes but then it is still my duty as per hadith to guide u against these snakes and to speak against them. They are misguiding people and MIGHT take them to hell and u want me to stay quiet?. What if Allah(swt) asks me that i knew what they were doing was wrong but i decided to keep quiet. "When you see an evil act you have to stop it with your hand. If you can't,then at least speak out against it with your tongue. If you can't, then at least you have to hate it with all your heart. And this is the weakest of faith." – Prophet Muhammad (Sahih Muslim, Book 1, Number 79:)and if hadiths have so many problems then all the previous great scholars such as the 4 imams who are abu hanifah , shafi , maliki , hanbali were all wrong to follow them?. Without the hadiths u wont know how to pray , how to do hajj and lots of other things. So the basic thing is prayer is one of the five pillars of Islam and if u dont know how to pray then well????….that is all i can say about this issue other than that its ur choice. The age of the dajjal(antichrist) is the age of manipulation and since u have been brought up in a society where things like free mixing and the sort are the norm so it is hard to accept hadith cause it involves changing urself to mostly everything that u have known.

  23. @ anonymousThat is not how muslims should behave. She is not certain yet so u shouldnt jump to conclusions on anything on what she is and what she is not. People living in the west have been brought up in a very different environment compared to us and to them all these things like hijab , no pork , no alcohol , etc is very weird but then it is for our own good in the long term. of course in the short term drinking alcohol is very pleasurable but we all know why most car accidents are caused in the US.If she is researching then let her be. U can give advise but u arent allowed to mock her while shes reearching. What kind of impression are u giving her by ur attitude?. Have some patience

  24. you have such an interesting blog! i'm going to private follow so i can keep up with it! keep posting!check out mine if u wanthttp://theveiledbump.blogspot.com/

  25. If you are influenced by 1. a tight fitting lesbian slut called Irshad Manji , that corrupting Islam openly, 2. many Bad elements inside Islam whose website you linked here3. mutazily 4. your interest in a mangod ( god man) authored bhagavadgita, that calls to believe in polytheism and reincarnation5. also many other beliefs you are influenced with that confusing your belief in one god, his messengers ,Quran and believable sunnah ISLAM is not for you.

  26. Thank you blackb3ard911, for your patience. I know we disagree on some matters, but I deeply appreciate you understanding that I am still new to this. It means alot, thank you.Hello Anya! Adorable blog!Dear Anonymous,I really hope that you have better things to do then leave mean comments on strangers blogs – and if not, if this is really what you think your time is best used for, then I pity you. If you have a problem with Irshad Manji, then go complain to HER about it, not to me. Maybe calling people sluts makes you feel good about yourself, but it just reveals to everyone else what a loser YOU are. If I ever write a post about one of her books, feel free to comment on the flaws of her arguments… but lobbing attacks at the author is childish and lame.I doubt you have read the Bhagavad Gita, which means you are judging something you are completely ignorant about. The next time someone who hasn't bothered to read the Quran misjudges your religion, I hope you will remember this. If by some chance you HAVE actually read the Bhagavad Gita, then there is nothing wrong with me reading it too.Finally you said, "ISLAM is not for you." You know something? Maybe YOU are the one with the "master plan". Maybe you are just trying to divert me from Islam, by convincing me that Muslims are jerks like you! What kind of good Muslim goes around warning people away from salvation?For your own sake, "Anonymous", grow up and get a life.

  27. Sorry blackb3ard911, I wanted to respond to an earlier comment you made.The Quranists have several arguments that the Quran does, in general terms, describe prayer. Their websites offer several articles on the matter, although there is a fair bit of variation. I do see some holes in their arguments, which is why I am still researching. But it should be kept in mind that Muhammad wasn't forming a brand new religion, he was reforming the old ones. The hajj and daily prayers already existed… pilgrims of many faiths came to Mecca every year to worship the idols housed there, and the Hanifs worshipped the God of Abraham and rejected all others. In short, the groundwork was there, but it took a Prophet to bring everything together and create Islam. The Quran doesn't describe certain things in detail because they were already common knowledge at the time.

  28. @sister sophiai have a book detailing this issue on Quranists which u are confused about. I know its hard to understand things in the sunnah cause u grew up in a 180 degree opposite environment so its hard to adjust wearing stuff like hijab and refraining from other types of stuff.heres the bookhttp://qsep.com/books/11.php@anonymousare u the same person that PM me on yt? . plz tell cause i want a word with u in private

  29. Ok folks… "Anonymous" sent me, like, a dozen comments yesterday about the Bhagavad Gita… I have no idea what point he/she was trying to make or even if it was the same person, so I've decided to no longer allow anonymous commenting. So if the author is reading this… I'm sorry but you will have to re-submit your comments under a user name so at least readers can know who's who. If you REALLY want to get into a lengthly discussion about the Bhagavad Gita, please save it until tomorrow when I will hopefully have a new post up about it.

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